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October 20, 2011


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Vita Dicpinigaitis, M.D.

The "birther" issue is not about birth or citizenship, it's about the constitutional presidential eligibility requirement of natural born citizenship which means citizen born to two citizen parents. The President admits that his father was a British citizen. He has also disrespected his office and the American people in sealing all of his records, playing games with the birth certificate and committing fraud with the two forged documents presented. Documentation for this has been extensive by many forensic experts. When is a presumably credible institution like PPP or WSJ going to fulfill their professional journalistic obligations?

Alan Snipes

Why don't you poll some interesting states like Arizona and Georgia, just to think of a couple off the top of my head instead of Hawaii?


Not much news here, but a Obama blowout winning anything around the 60% range will carry at least Hirano into the Senate. The big difference between now and the last time a Dem had serious economic problems, Jimmy Carter, is that the country has changed. It is no longer Ronald Reagan's America...when he carried Hawaii in 1984. We will never see a return to that America again.


The citizenship of the late father of President Obama is not a valid bar to eligibility of the President. It wouldn't matter if the President's father were a convicted criminal, and idiot, or a drug addict.

Dustin Ingalls

"Why don't you poll some interesting states like Arizona and Georgia, just to think of a couple off the top of my head instead of Hawaii?"

We poll the top two states from our poll on this site every week. And how is Georgia more interesting than Hawaii?


@Vita Dicpinigaitis:

President Chester Arthur was born to a father who was a British subject.


IIRC, a few polls in early '08 showed Obama getting around 60% of the vote, and if you don't mind me saying, nearly all polling in Hawaii seems to be better for the GOP than it is in reality.

Alan Snipes

Georgia is more interesting than Hawaii because Obama lost Georgia by 52-47 in 2008 and I understand his approvals there are better than many other states right now. Arizona is interesting because McCain carried his home state by a smaller margin than Bush carried Arizona in 2004. Also, Clinton carried it in 1996 so these states could be interesting from the point of view of states that Obama might carry in 2012 that he did not carry in 2008.


Georgia is more interesting because there's a dedicated sect of delusional Democrats (and YES, I am a liberal Democrat) who for some reason think Democrats might win Georgia every single fucking election. It's insane, we never do but every single time these Democrats come out and start wondering, "hey, you think we'll win Georgia this time?". WHAT THE FUCK?????? Is there nothing more important for us to worry about?


Chester Arthur was also the subject of a birther-type movement. But it was racist then too.


Dominic: Georgia is trending blue (unlike many of the former Solid South states, which are continuing their rightward trend), so it's not a matter of if it comes back into play for Democrats, but when.


Georgia is a state with a growing minority population, which is heavily Democratic, and an aging white population, which is heavily Republican. In other words, a typical Southern state, with a high minimum Democratic floor and a low Democratic ceiling. As demography rolls on, both floor and ceiling will rise until winning statewide elections becomes a plausible proposition. Georgia has a large black population, relative to some of its Southern kin, and so comes close to that competitive mark, but has yet to cross it. Give it another eight years or so and probably, but I don't think it's happening this year.

Also, ignore the birther morons. They've latched onto a definition of 'natural born citizen' that's long since been disavowed by the Supreme Court and Congress alike and has never has been used in any American context.

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